Sunday, November 28, 2010

Homework 6, Due December 3, 2010

Welcome back from Thanksgiving break! Only a few weeks left in the semester, so be sure to keep up with your assignments! We'll be studying some very interesting history over the next few weeks, and I know you'll be interested in some of the individuals we discuss. One such individual is a true "Renaissance Man" - Galileo.

As most of you already know, Galileo was, among other things, a scientist who was tried for an unusual crime (by today's standards) - teaching "non-biblical" beliefs, namely that the earth orbited the sun! Although he was convicted and forced to publicly declare that he had been wrong, he was never tortured or imprisoned (his principle punishment was the requirement that he do penance, which his daughter did for him). Since no equipment had been invented that allowed anyone to see the orbits, both sides based their arguments on other things, such as math (both sides were wrong) and the interpretation of scriptures. So how did this get started?

As we learned previously, the discovery of ancient Greek and Roman history by the Crusaders absolutely revolutionized Europe. In a few short centuries Europe would go from being woefully primitive in comparison to the Arabs, Chinese and Indians (people from India), to being the dominant military, commercial, and educational force in the world. However, it's important to point out the the ancient Greeks and Romans weren't exactly foolproof - their own information was sometimes nothing more than an educated guess. The biggest perpetrator was Aristotle himself. The great man is responsible for so much wisdom and creativity, but his greatest contributions to history are probably the things he got wrong! For example, he believed that the heart circulated air through the body, not blood. For centuries, despite the increasing evidence to the contrary, many people refused to accept the fact that Aristotle was wrong. And he had another guess that was wrong also - the order of the universe.

Aristotle was at least inciteful enough to realize that many of the ancient myths about the night sky were wrong, but he was responsible for convincing many people that the earth stood still and the sun, moon and stars orbited around it. The Egyptian astronomer Ptolemy claimed to have proof that Aristotle was right (therefore the earth-centered theory was called the Ptolemaic Model). When this theory was brought back from the Crusades in the 1300s, many Europeans automatically accepted that it was true, and even found scripture that, the believed, backed up his assertions. For example, Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...” and Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”.

Although the 16th century astronomer Copernicus described a "heliocentric", or sun-centered, universe as being the only model that explained the movement of the stars, by the time people were exposed to this view the Ptolemaic Model was considered sacred. When Galileo Galilei came along, he wrote a book called "Dialogues Concerning Two New Sciences" in which he had two smart characters (one believed the Copernican Model, the other was smart enough to listen to him) and one character that was obviously supposed to be simple (named Simplicio), and he argued for the geocentric model with ridiculous and shallow arguments. It was open opposition to what the Catholic Church held to be true, and the dumb character seemed to resemble the Pope (Galileo's longtime, and soon to be ex-, friend).

Galileo's trial in the 1630s was complex because a great deal of politics was involved and ended in the manner I mentioned earlier. Within fifty years of his death the Catholic Church reversed its decision and embraced the Copernican Model (of course, we know now that neither the sun nor the earth is fixed, nor is our solar system the center of the universe). Why it concerns us today is that we still face questions about the compatability of scripture and science. While many people today embrace faulty science in order to argue that the Bible isn't true, we Christians have seen over and over that science proves the Bible's teaching.

Your assignment this week is to consider the story of Galileo and answer the following questions: How should Christians have acted toward the Copernical Model in the 1600s, and why? If the scriptures in Psalms do not imply that the earth literally stands still, what do they mean? (you'll need to read the verses around them for context). And, finally, what can Christians do today to ensure that mistakes like these don't occur again?

I look forward to reading your answers. The requirements for this assignment are exactly as those that have preceded it. Thanks and have a good week!

58 comments:

  1. I think Christians should have acted more carefully. Before the crusades they were so primitive compared to the Arabs. Through the crusades they “discovered” so many new thinks and found out that they definitely didn’t know everything. So after that experience you should actually be more carefully about your opinion on your knowledge how right or wrong it is and be more skeptical. But they just picked up the new knowledge and thought again they already know everything and acted kind of arrogant.

    Also I think it is kind of crazy that they used these Psalms as a support for the theory. When I read these Psalms I immediately thought how in the world can you use this as a biblical support for a theory. Even if you don’t know what it means I think it is pretty clear that it definitely doesn’t mean that the earth is the center of the universe. They definitely should have read it more in the context and shouldn’t use just a part of a verse. I think that is also a problem today in the church that many preacher just take some verses for their sermon and don’t read the bible in context, but that’s a different topic.

    I think these Psalms can also mean that God placed the earth immovable and firm on it’s orbit around the sun. Also this Psalm could mean that the movement of the earth around the sun is stable and predictable.

    For the future I think Christians should pray to God to give them an answer to their question or give them the right view on these thinks.

    Works cited:
    http://koptisch.wordpress.com/2010/09/26/die-bibel-und-die-astronomie/

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  2. I think Christians should have acted more carefully. Before the crusades they were so primitive compared to the Arabs. Through the crusades they “discovered” so many new thinks and found out that they definitely didn’t know everything. So after that experience you should actually be more carefully about your opinion on your knowledge how right or wrong it is and be more skeptical. But they just picked up the new knowledge and thought again they already know everything and acted kind of arrogant.

    Also I think it is kind of crazy that they used these Psalms as a support for the theory. When I read these Psalms I immediately thought how in the world can you use this as a biblical support for a theory. Even if you don’t know what it means I think it is pretty clear that it definitely doesn’t mean that the earth is the center of the universe. They definitely should have read it more in the context and shouldn’t use just a part of a verse. I think that is also a problem today in the church that many preacher just take some verses for their sermon and don’t read the bible in context, but that’s a different topic.

    I think these Psalms can also mean that God placed the earth immovable and firm on it’s orbit around the sun. Also this Psalm could mean that the movement of the earth around the sun is stable and predictable.

    For the future I think Christians should pray to God to give them an answer to their question or give them the right view on these thinks.

    Works cited:
    http://koptisch.wordpress.com/2010/09/26/die-bibel-und-die-astronomie/

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  3. I think Christians should have acted more carefully. Before the crusades they were so primitive compared to the Arabs. Through the crusades they “discovered” so many new thinks and found out that they definitely didn’t know everything. So after that experience you should actually be more carefully about your opinion on your knowledge how right or wrong it is and be more skeptical. But they just picked up the new knowledge and thought again they already know everything and acted kind of arrogant.

    Also I think it is kind of crazy that they used these Psalms as a support for the theory. When I read these Psalms I immediately thought how in the world can you use this as a biblical support for a theory. Even if you don’t know what it means I think it is pretty clear that it definitely doesn’t mean that the earth is the center of the universe. They definitely should have read it more in the context and shouldn’t use just a part of a verse. I think that is also a problem today in the church that many preacher just take some verses for their sermon and don’t read the bible in context, but that’s a different topic.

    I think these Psalms can also mean that God placed the earth immovable and firm on it’s orbit around the sun. Also this Psalm could mean that the movement of the earth around the sun is stable and predictable.

    For the future I think Christians should pray to God to give them an answer to their question or give them the right view on these thinks.

    Works cited:
    http://koptisch.wordpress.com/2010/09/26/die-bibel-und-die-astronomie/

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  4. Psalm 93:1 says: "The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and armed with strength; indeed, the world is established, firm and secure." Psalm 96:10 says: "Say among the nations, “The LORD reigns.” The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved;
    he will judge the peoples with equity."

    The way these verses, on there own, read is that the world is standing still, floating in the milky way at a permanent stand still. Perhaps this is why people back in the Middle Ages and so believed that the Earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around the Earth and, in turn, us. When you grow up believing this theory and hearing nothing to say otherwise, it is very simple to just believe it and not want to change. So when someone comes in and says "the sun is the center of the universe, not the Earth", completly going against everything you learned as a child, you would naturally be inclined to deny the new theory and stay with what you have learned. And with the verses mentioned above, it would seem that you would have evidence to back that claim up.

    But if you look at the verses before and after the two I mentioned, it seems slightly strange that they would be giving a scientfic fact for the verses around these are about praising the Lord and bringing glory to Him. So why does the Bible seem to give a "scientific fact" in those two verses? Well, we obviously know that it is not a scientific fact, the Earth is not standing still but is in fact rotating around the sun. So what do these two verses mean? To me, it seems as if the author is not talking about the world physically standing still, but spiritually standing still. By saying "the world is firmly established" perhaps the author meant that the world is firmly established in the Word of God, not floating in place in one spot. By saying "the world is established, firm and secure" and "it cannot be moved" perhaps the author actually means that the Word of God is in the world, established it's spot, and will never be moved or shaken from it's permanancy in our world. That is what I believe these verses mean.

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  5. This is just another great example of how the Catholic Church controlled the people of the time. Because the people were ignorant the church was able to control what they believed about matters both biblical and non-biblical. I would say that Christians should have reacted to the Copernical model by examining both side of the argument and choosing based on the fact, but since the facts were not available to them they could not do this. Since the people could not read for themselves what the Bible said on the matter they chose to believe the group that they had believed for centuries. This was probably the better of the two options considering if they didn’t side with the church they thought that they would be sent to hell.

    Now on to what the Bible actually says. In the verses around those mentioned it talks about the power and strength of God. If you look at the verses in context they are talking about how the world is in Gods control and cannot be removed from his control. The King James Version says, “The Lord reigneth, He is clothed with majesty; the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith He hath girded Himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.” Psalms 93:1.

    One way that Christians today can insure that this doesn’t happen again is to make sure that everybody can read for themselves what the Bible says and not just trust what ever a pastor says. By the way, this is something that the Bible teaches Christians to do.

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  6. I personally think Christians then should have acted like they do now. Even though the people were not as well advanced as we are today they still had Jesus/God and Gods words (the Bible). I believe that they would have heard such things and been slightly interested looked into it and then soon realized all the wrongs of the statements that Galileo Galilei had made. Mainly because being a Christian is not just a religion/label. It’s who you are it should and in hopefully most cases affect everything about you who you are how you act everything you do its just your life because you just want to be that close to God that you would do anything and everything no matter what for him and only him. And what Psalms 93:1 is meaning when it says that the world is firmly established and cannot be moved it mean God is in control of the earth he is the master of all things created he reigns forever. And what Psalm 96:10 when it says the world is firmly established its still meaning God is the one the creator and ruler of everything he will judge everybody no one is greater than Him. Christians today can just study the Bible not just pick curtain things out but read it all and witness that God is the one and only.

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  7. Private Elijah, first of all I really like your essay its very very well said and very well put together. So good job on that. But I also like how you said you thought the author could have meant that the world is firmly establishes in the word of God like (it cannot be moved) because Gods there and its firm because hes God the creator. I really like your essay and totally agree with everything you have said. Good job!

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  8. Camden I really liked your essay to I agree with most of it and really liked the part wear you said that the catholic church mainly controlled the people of the church. Because the were indeed mainly ignorant. I can see wear if you couldn’t read knowing the truth about the bible would be hard you would have yo trust the person who could understand it and yea that could lead to a lot of bad things, Either way your essay was very good!

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  9. This week assignement is very interresting.
    To respond at the first question, The Christians in 1600s didn't have the Bible. Only the ones teaching them had it. So I guess they didn't have an other option of the way of acting toward the Copernical Model. And I think they didn't really thought of acting an other way since the priest and other people who were teaching were their only example.And I suppose they consider them like their father and usually when you don't have the chance to find other explanations you follow your father's ideas.
    The scriptures in Palms do not imply that the earth literally stands still. I think it's more about how God is Lord and by him the world stands still. That nations should declare that he reigns and will reign for ever and ever, that each of us should give Him praise, honnor, and glory because He is the only one that diserve it and because He is the only one that will judge us equally. And it's only by Him that we can stand still, that the earth can stand still. He is the creator and He is in control.
    Christians should search and ask God to help them with all arguments that they will do or have about all of this. But I don't think people will think some think else than what we think is true now since science is much better now than it was before and we have much more ways to say whether something is wrong or right.

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  10. Personally, i can not blame the people for believing the earth stood still. I mean, if that was all you were taught growing up then that makes sense. :“The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.” -Psalm 93:1 and “Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.” Psalm 96:10 could also be taken incorrectly. If you just read these verse by themselves you may think “okay, so the earth stands still..” but what they are saying is “God has control over the earth and that can not be changed.” (That is what i think anyway.) If i had lived in this time and was told from day one that the earth stood still and all the things they believed i would have the same reaction as they did.

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  11. Megan,
    I really liked your essay. I like how you defined the verse in Psalm. I also like: "being a Christian is not just a religion/label. It’s who you are it should and in hopefully most cases affect everything about you who you are how you act everything you do its just your life because you just want to be that close to God that you would do anything and everything no matter what for him and only him." I know it's not really realted to the subject, but i just love the way you said that because it is truth.

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  12. Elena,
    I really like your essay! You wrote it very good!! I like what you wrote about how the Christians then didn't have the Bible and didn't really know how else to act. I really liked how you said the church leaders were like the Christians "fathers" and led them by example. I like your whole essay. Good job!!! :) :)

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  13. Megan,
    Great job on your essay!! I agree with Emily. I love you how mentioned being a Christian isn't just a religion/label. It's really not! It's a relationship and I love how you mentioned that. :)I also agree with what you said about the God reigning and being in control. Really good essay!! :) :)

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  14. Psalms 93:1 says : The Lord reigns, he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed in majesty and is armed in strength. The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved. Psalms 96:10 says : Say among the nations, " The Lord reigns." The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. It was obvious that these verses had been taken out of context because these verses are talking of the glory and power of God. Psalms 93:1 Is talking about the how the Lord is in control and He can't be removed from control. The verse after that , verse two, says " Your Throne was established long ago; you are from all eternity." God has always been in control His throne has been firmly established. Psalms 96:10 is saying how God reigns and he is soveriegn and that can't be taken from Him. It has always been that way and will forever be that way. These verses were definitely taken out of context.

    Now for the question of how Christians should have acted toward the Copernical model in the 1600's... I can see two sides to this question. It is easy to see how those verses may have been taken out of context. Bibles probably were not really available to the people and if they were many times people either couldn't read or didn't understand the langauge is was written in so many times the had to go off of what they had been taught. The priests didn't always interpret the Bible right either. So if that was the way they had been taught and couldn't find out otherwise then it is easy to see maybe how they condemned the model. Also it isn't like they all had the education to make an educated opinion of their own. Very few at that time were educated well enough to make that kind of connection so of course they went with tradition. But also I don't think that iot was completely right to condemn an idea that they weren't sure about. And it wasn't fair that Galileo wasn't allowed to have his own personal opinion. I think he was entitled to believe that if he wanted. And maybe the priests and whoever could access a Bible maybe should have checked out the verses around that scripture. Maybe it was want of power that they did that. Maybe they knew what the scriptures said but they taught it otherwise and didn't want their power and words undermined. I think that if at all possible they should have been more careful in their actions toward new ideas.

    How can we ensure that this doesn't happen again? Well, now a day we definitely have more access to the Bible and education and ways to research. So if a problem like that arises we definitely need to study the scripture and read the entire verse and the verses around it which will give us a more definite picture of what is being said. We don't need to just take someone elses word for it. Also since we have the ability we need to research and find scientifical evidence to support the theory or evidence in question. And also we shouldn't condemn other for their opinions or ideas. If their wrong then we need to find evidence that they are wrong and show them.

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  15. I think they should have known better. I mean just because some one told this theory was correct, it is not automaticly true. But I guess they maybe just wanted to believe, this guy was someone in this time, someone known, someone with knoledge. So maybe they just wanted to believe him. But before you believe something you normally look for reasons why you believe it. And especially Christian should have a book of answers, the Bible.
    I do not know how they could use the Psalm as a support for this theory. They thought that the earth was the center of the univers and that the sun was just a nother planet. I guess they thought that because of the Vers, "..Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm....".. I mean yes, word for word it means that the earth stands still and is not able to move, but we know better today that we can say, the sun is the center of the univers and the erath spinns around the center, like all the other planets..
    One thing Christians can do to ensure a mistake like this, is that they do not read just the Vers, but that they raed the Vers in context. They should also look over the verses before and after the Vers you actually want to read. Because often they do not mean what you first thought, because in conetxt they have a complet different maening!

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  16. Psalm 93:1 “The Lord reign he is robed in majesty the Lord is robed in majesty and armed with strength indeed the world is established firm and secure.” Psalm 96:10 “Say among the nations the Lord reigns. The world is firmly established it cannot be moved he will judge the peoples with equity.”
    These verses alone state that the world is standing still and fixed in place. I see how the people during the Middle Ages thought and believe in the geocentric model instead of the heliocentric model. Back then that’s all they were taught growing up. The priest read the scriptures and saw that God loved us. So why wouldn’t he make us the center of the universe? If you think about it it seems quite logical that God would do that. Although they shouldn’t have rejected the heliocentric model right off the back like they did. They should have thought about the reasons that he gave behind his theory. He gave very reasonable arguments that should have caused researchers to at least try and study them. Today if somebody gave a theory and had arguments half as good as the ones he gave half a dozen researchers would have jumped right on it. The priest were to stuck on their old ways to even consider any other possibilities.

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  17. Science and politics are the two subjects that collide with Christianity. There are so many different theories and beliefs. Being a christian you put your all in your faith, you live your life by the guide God gave you. Christians then should live as christians do now. The Bible never changes it has and always will state how you should live, why you should live that way, the promises of God, and His grace and forgiveness. Sure, it was hard then to show your faith 100% but, it is today too. That isn’t a reason to not believe fully.
    Scientist today study, and test every assumtion for proof to avoid mistakes like these, and the gossip and such it brings along. Every idea is tested multiple times for accuracy before the final statement is made to the public.
    I think in Psalms it means that God is in control of the Earth, he wants the Earth to stay still, and that it will stay. God is in complete control of this world, and always will be. What is stated in the Bible is entirely the truth, and He is trying to put it in words where we understand his power, ability, and greatness!

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  18. I think this week’s assignment was very hard and challenging. But I did my best to consider all the questions.

    In Psalm 93:1 it is written “the world is established, firm and secure. But that is not referring to the world being the centre of the universe or being not moving like many people would think. But rather it is referring to God’s creating and sustaining power. You must also read this passage in context by considering that it is referring to God and not to the universe. It says “the LORD is robed in majesty and armed with strength”.

    In Psalm 96:10 it says “the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved”. This scripture refers to Christ who upholds all things and preserves the course of nature.

    Passages of scripture are not meant literally. Christians nowadays should be careful to consider all of the Bible and not take individual verses out of context. It would be like reading the third sentence, in the third paragraph, of the last chapter of a book. It would not make sense. We must always take great care when we analyze Scripture. We must be careful not to be overly judgmental of other Christians in denominations that differ from ours. There are foundational beliefs that all Christians agree on.

    I think that the Christians in the 1600s should have respected both scientists, even though they didn’t fully understand the evolving viewpoints. Even after 50 years, the accepted view had changed. It was unnecessary to treat the scientists with such disrespect. We must be more accepting of each other.

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  19. Psalms 93:1 says : The Lord reigns, he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed in majesty and is armed in strength. The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.
    The Psalm talked about God has always been in controlled Lord is in control and He can't be removed from control .Psalms 96:10 says : Say among the nations, " The Lord reigns." The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. This verse said about he always be the way he is ,and he couldn’t change . These verses were identified out of context .For the first question I think the Christians in 1600s didn't have the Bible so they didn’t have any option to acting about the Copernical Model. I supposed they consider them like their father and usually when you don't have many chances to follow your father's ideas.
    Well the scriptures in Palms ,he is the only one that could judge us because He is the creator and He is in controlled. I think They should think about the reasons that he gave us behind his theory. He gave a good reasonable argument . The priest were to stuck on their old ways to even consider any other possibilities.

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  20. If I were a Christian around this time with no knowledge of the scientific evidence we have now, I would definitely believe that the earth stood still. According to Psalms 93:1, it does sound like the earth stood still. The scripture plainly says that the world is firmly established and it cannot be moved. I don’t think they should be blamed for thinking this way. They had no other reason to think otherwise.

    The question is how they should have reacted. I think that word probably spread about the Copernical Model. For example, today at school we were discussing the tribulation and the rapture. Some believe that the tribulation happens before the rapture, some believe it happens afterwards. There is some controversy just as there might have been when it came to the Copernical Model. As Christians, we should look up the answers to these stumbling questions ourselves rather than depending on others to solve the riddles. I think this applies to circumstances back then and today.

    As far as the meaning of the verse, it definitely comes across as a scientific fact. In all actuality, I think it is referring to the power of God. In the beginning of verse one it says, “The Lord reigns, he is robed in majesty, the Lord is robed in majesty and is armed with strength.” Then, it goes on to speak of the world being firmly established. I find this to be a display of God’s power. God put the world where it is now. We are going to be here until God decides otherwise; only He has the power to shake the world or move it anywhere else.

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  21. Galileo was born on February 15, 1564. Galileo was an Italian physicist, mathematician,astronomer and philosopher. Galileo has been called the Father of Modern observational astronomy, the Father of modern physics, father of science. Galileo was responsible for the birth of modern science.
    On doing this study of Galileo, I found a quote of Vincenzo Galileo. (Galileo's father) that helped clear a lot of the mystery concerning Galileo's fight with the church.
    "It appears to me that those who rely simply on the weight of authority to prove any assertion without searching out the arguments to support it, act absurdly. I wish to question freely and to answer freely without any sort of adulation. That will becomes any who are sincere in the search for truth."
    Europe's history had been one of darkness and backwardness. The Roman Catholic church ruled with an iron fist.
    To be a Renaissance Man meant to be a person that studied multiple fields. Had Europe not lived in the dark ages the desire for knowledge would not have burned in the heart as brightly.
    The Copernican Model was the brain child of a polish priest who was a mathematician, astronomer,physician and multiple other roles. Galileo was very influential at this time and for him to connect up with this kind of thinking meant a great wave of influence.
    Christians looked a lot different in the 1600's. Most couldn't read. In many casses it was the church and tradition vs. Galileo.
    Any time you take one scripture and lift it out and don't have other scriptures to back it up you get in to trouble.
    I think Europe was trying to navigate through a maze of unnavigable waters. As long as we are humans we will make mistakes. I think we have to do the best we can with humility, the fear of God and the Word of God as our boundaries.
    sources site: wikipedia, wwwwisegeek.com, Michael Fowler, uvaphysisdept.

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  22. How should Christians have acted toward the Copernical Model in the 1600s, and why?
    I believe as a Christian, that they should have been sympathetic towards Galileo and his philosophy. I know by the time the 1600’s came along that the Ptolemaic Model was considered sacred, and therefore, some Christians had a mindset that if they even considered looking at Galileo’s theory’s then they themselves would be sinning somehow. It is kind of like when you’re so afraid of falling into something that you won’t go anywhere near it. The Copernical Model was indeed correct, and I believe that Christians in that day should have accepted that, and known that that was the truth.
    If the scriptures in Psalms do not imply that the earth literally stands still, what do they mean?
    In the New King James Version of the Word, the verse Psalm 93:1 says that “Surely the world is established, so that it cannot be moved.” King David is not meaning that the world itself cannot move, like rotation. If it did, it would say it, trust me. By “Established” it means that it has been made known, and that something was built upon that knowing. “It cannot be moved,” this means that we cannot be shaken. Also in Psalm 96:10 it says, “Say among the nation, ‘The Lord reigns; The world also is firmly established, It shall not be moved; He shall judge the peoples righteously.’” Hear it implies that us as a people are steadfast in his mercies, and under His reign.
    What can Christians do today to ensure that mistakes like these don't occur again?
    To help this to not occur again, we need to bring science and the word together, because they were made to go along with the other.

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  23. Psalm 93:1 says " The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and armed with strength; indeed, the world is established, firm and secure. " and Psalms 96:10 says " Say among the nations, “The LORD reigns.” The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. "
    The first verse is talking about how the Lord is strong and powerful and made the earth. The second verse says he reigns and that no one can move it and he will judge all people equally.
    The Copernican model was new and completely contrary to what the people had grew up learning in school, and I think that the people did not want to believe that they had been wrong all this time, and just try and ignore what he was saying. He was right though, about the earth rotating around the sun rather than the sun rotating around the earth.
    One way that we can ensure that a mistake like this does not happen again today is to thoroughly read the bible for ourselves and not to just take some one else's word for what it truly says.

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  24. Biggin - You had a really good essay. It is obvious you really took your time with it and did it properly. I loved the quote by Galileo's father... "It appears to me that those who rely simply on the weight of authority to prove any assertion without searching out the arguments to support it, act absurdly."... This part of the quote really does make a lot of sense. Many times people just rely on someone who they look up to and resect, to give them the answers. But, many times it just doesn't work out that way. You are right it seems that Europe WAS trying to navigate through unnavigatable waters.

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  25. Charity you essay was good I agreed with most of it except the part where you said ... "The Copernical Model was indeed correct, and I believe that Christians in that day should have accepted that, and known that that was the truth."... The reason I don't agree with that is because you say that the Christians should have know that the Copernical model was correct. My question is, how were they to know? They had been taught otherwise all of their life and the scriptures had been taken out of context so they thought that scriptures were backing up the theory of everythihng revolving around the sun. They certainly shouldn't have condemned that theory immediatly or Galileo they were wrong in that but i just dont see how they were to know unless they got their hands on a bible they could read and some education. Good job on your essay though :)

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  26. @Abbie:
    I liked reading your essay. It was also interesting to read, because you understood the Christian from that time. I also like your interpretation from the Psalms. Altough you understand the verses not scientificly, you still can understand the Christians from that time. Godd job.

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  27. @Biggin:
    When I read your essay I thought "wow somebody spent alot of time on that". You give a lot of informations and I like it too that you give the quote from his father. Altough it seems like you spent a lot of time, you don't really answer all the questions. But good job!

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  28. As we discussed in the previous subunit, the Earth-centered model of the universe, refined by Ptolemy, was set firmly in place in the early part of the first millennium. It was not until 1543 that it met serious competition in the Sun-centered model of Nicolas Copernicus. opernicus had two main reasons for asserting that the Sun was the center of our solar system.
    1. While the Ptolemaic model was very good at predicting the positions of the planets, it wasn't precise, and over the centuries its predictions got worse and worse.
    2. Copernicus didn't like the fact that the Ptolemaic model had big epicycles to explain the retrograde motions of the planets. He knew that this could be explained instead by having the Earth also moving around the Sun. The true motion of the planets around the Sun is not uniform circular motion, so Copernicus model still needed to have epicycles. He had 1500 years of post-Ptolemy data to work with, and needed quite a lot of epicycles to make a new set of accurate predictions for the motions of the planets. Sorry I start to go off topic, but Psalm 93:1 says " The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and armed with strength; indeed, the world is established, firm and secure. " and Psalms 96:10 says " Say among the nations, “The LORD reigns.” The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity I don't think people will think some thing other than what they believe is true. Since science is much better now than it was before we have much more ways to say whether something is wrong or right. To ensure nothing like this happens again we just need to read are Bible's and believe in what God is telling us.

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  29. to billy the squid, I really liked your essay on the sun centered model of the universe by nicolas copernicus, and i found it very inetesting to read. and i totoly agree with you, about how to ensure nothing like that happens again today, we need to read our own bibles for our selves and not just believe what someone else says about it, that we should take the initiative to find out on our own, to make sure that you are believing what you believe and not what some one else believes to be true. I think They should have at least given the copernican model a chance and not just imeadiatly assumed it to be false, and that galileo's model was correct. But great job on your essay billy the squid, about all that stuff, I really liked it, and enjoyed reading it a whole lot. Great job!

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  30. to biggin, Great job on your essay, I really liked it!

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  31. Biggin, I liked reading your essay. You had good information about Galileo. You told us something about his Parents and his life. The quote was also something not a lot people used in their essays, I think that was really good. You told us about the meaning and ruling of the catholic church in the past. You said, that a lot of people could not read and that this was a nother problem is really true, I did not even thought about that, but sure they had to believe in the things people told them, even if they couldn't be sure what the people told them. You are right, mistakes can happen, but maybe we should be more caution about things! Just to be sure that we believe and do the right things.
    Good job, and keep up your good work!!!

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  32. Elena, thank you for sharing your ideas on how Christians thought in the 1600's. Most people could not read and they did not have communication except by word of mouth or carrier.
    I'm not even sure how many Christians even knew about the Copernical Model. I think the average Catholic did not want to fall out of favor with the Church. Most people were concern about their daily bead and trying to stay alive. I think a lot of people kept their opinions to themselves.
    Camden: Thank you for sharing your ideas. Science was not at all as advanced as it is today. I wonder if the men that tried Galileo
    mature enough to examine both sides of the issue or were afraid to even peek behind the curtain of science. I think there were many new concepts in science, medicine, language. The Arabs as well as the Muslims in India were very advanced.
    I like the last part of your essay. Make sure everybody can read for themselves. I've heard that history states, when the Bible gets into the language of everyday people revival happens.

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  33. Nang, I liked your essay. You did a great job, by explaining the meaning of the verse. I liked that a lot. Your information were also good and you answered all the given questions. Good job and keep up your work!!

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  34. Charity, I disagree with your essay. By this I mean that I disagree with the part where you say that the Copernical theory was correct. The reason I disagree with this statement is because the theory was not correct. It stated that the sun was the center of the universe. If the theory had stated that the sun was the center of the solar system then it would have been correct but it didn’t. As technology has advanced we have gained definitive proof that the sun is not the center of the universe or ever of our galaxy. I also don’t understand what you mean by “we cannot be shaken.” Shaken from what?

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  35. Private Elijah, I disagree with the part of your essay where you say that the verses are talking about Word of God not being moved or shaken. The reason I disagree with this is because false teacher have been twisting the Word of God for Millennia. I might be miss understanding what you are trying to say but what the Bible is speaking of is how God holds the world in His hands and it cannot be moved from His hands.

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  36. Megan, I really like your essay. I especially liked the part where you said that Religion isn't a label, because it isn't like Elizabeth said, it's a relationship, a fantastic one at that! Also, i liked when you said that we do everything for him. Your wording in the essay was just amazing, good job!

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  37. Abbie,
    Your essay was really good, I loved how in the first paragraph you talked about what you would do, and how you took it to a personal level, and into informational as well. Great Job!

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  38. Private Elijah,
    Good job on your essay. I really liked how you talked about the scripture passage and how it could also mean spiritually standing still and not physically. That was an interesting point in your article and I enjoyed reading your arguments. Also, I think it is true that it is very hard to believe in something totally different from what one has learned and was taught all his life. And people in that time era usually didn’t like change and progress and therefore were usually against all new theories from the first moment. A lot of people still couldn’t read and they learned everything about the Bible at church from the priests. Their life was very religious centered and they probably thought it was rude of Galileo to come up with a non-religious theory of the world.

    Abbie,
    I also think that the people should not be blamed for their actions. I think they just didn’t know how to read the Bible in context and how to interpret it. They thought it wasn’t written in the Bible although it was only a different and unknown interpretation of Scripture.

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  39. If being a Christian of that time, (without the scientific proof we have now) I could have easily believed that of the Ptolemaic Model.
    The phrasing of Psalms 93:1 definitely sounds like the earth was still in place. Quoting, "..indeed, the world is established, firm and secure."
    This giving the people no reason to argue, they also didn't have Bibles to study into the true meaning anyway. Even though those Christians were not as educated, they should have been more open to the Copernical Model; learning and studying it so they could be certain on why they believed what they did.

    Psalm 93:1 says: "The Lord reigns, he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed in majesty and armed with strength; indeed, the world is established, firm and secure."
    This verse may have come off as Galileo's proof, but I think it's meaning God's ability and power. The world is firm and secure under His strength.

    To avoid this today, we as Christians should educate ourselves in others beliefs and mainly in the Bible so that we can defend our faith.

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  40. Essay from Jerome
    This week I writing about Galileo and about some Psalms. I guess this week is a hard challenge for me,
    because I really dont know much about the Bible but I will try my best.
    Galileo was born on February 15, 1564. He was an Italian physicist, mathematician,astronomer and philosopher.
    Galileo Galilei was born in an impoverished Florentine patrician family. Galileo's father Vincenzo was a cloth
    merchant, musician and music theorist, and had as such, mathematical skills and interests;

    Psalms 93:1: The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed in majesty and is armed in strength.
    The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.
    This verse is talking about that God has always been in controlled and how powerful and strong he is.

    Psalms 96:10: Say among the nations, " The LORD reigns." The world is firmly established,
    it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity.
    this means that God has created the nations the way he wants them to be and judges them fairly.

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  41. Dear Simon Heinzel,
    I really like your essay and I agree with you at all. You wrote it very good.
    I really like to read you introduction,
    because they should be more carefully about your opinion and be more skeptical.
    I also agree with what you said about that they should take it from context and shouldn’t use just a part of a verse.
    very good job. I like how you defined the verse in Psalm.

    Dear Eileen,
    your essay was very good I agreed with all that you said. I really like your introduction because
    you spoke your opinion in the very beginning. I really like one sentences, when you said
    "But before you believe something you normally look for reasons why you believe it".

    Dear Paco,
    I liked your essay. You did a great job. Your information were good and everything was very clear.

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  42. This assignment is very interesting. Not something we think about very often. To answer the first question, I don’t blame them for the way they acted. I probably would have done the same. They had no way of knowing any differently. All they knew was what they had been taught. The verses that they thought meant the earth stood still would make anyone think that the earth was not moving if they didn’t scientifically know that the statement was wrong. I believe that these verses are meant to be viewed in a spiritual light rather than in a physical way. We know now that the earth rotates around the sun but back then they had no idea otherwise because they didn’t have the technology to prove it! To avoid this kind of misunderstanding today us as Christians need to dig into the Word of God and figure it out on our own. Form our own opinion rather than the opinion of those around us. The only way we can know the truth is by reading the Truth for ourselves.

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  43. Biggin,
    Your essay was great! I agree with everything you said. The quote from Galileo's father is very relevant to this topic; Stating,
    "It appears to me that those who rely simply on the weight of authority to prove any assertion without searching out the arguments to support it, act absurdly. I wish to question freely and to answer freely without any sort of adulation. That will becomes any who are sincere in the search for truth."
    It is, indeed, much smarter to discover on your own rather than to just live off of what people are always giving you.

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  44. Emma, I agree with your essay 100%. You said "I believe that these verses are meant to be viewed in a spiritual light rather than in a physical way" and thats so true because I believe Psalm 93:1 was saying God is holding the world in His hands firmly and securely, not literally in place, secure, in the universe.

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  45. Christian, Great essay!! You're right, The lord is strong and powerful. He made the earth and he reigns, no one can remove him or the earth, he will judge all people equally. These are I would say the most important carsteristics of God, he loves us that's why he created us to live on the earth that no one has the power to change.
    But I'm not totally convincint with your second paragraph. People usually didn' t go to school at that time. It was usually the priests and other people from the church that had a Bible and could read that were their teachers. Going to church was their only way of knowing things. But those things were usually wrong or diformed in favor of the church.
    Each of us has a different view of the bilble. I don't think all of us will have the same ideas and surelly we are nt the same and our minds work all in a different way, we all have our way of thinking. So it's fine if we keep it for our selves but if we try to share it, there will still be a lot of arguments like they are today.

    Lauren33, Great essay!! I enjoy reading it. And you sure have great ideas!

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  46. Elena , I liked you essay a lot .I totally agreed with you that you talked about the way that he couldn't change and he had to be the same way .i like that part .And your essay gave me ideas and good information :)
    Ang the other thing that i agreed with you is the science could help a lot to decided with one is wrong and which one is right . Great job elena !

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  47. If you are going to quote a resource, you must cite it. If you are going to copy and paste a large quantity of someone else's work without acknowledging the authorship, you must be prepared to fail.

    http://www.polaris.iastate.edu/EveningStar/Unit2/unit2_sub2.htm

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  48. Abbie, I really liked your essay .You explained a lot of good information about that time .I believed that in that time there wasn't enough science stuff to told them what were they supposed to do ,but I think now the science improved and people know what they should do .Good job Abbie !

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  49. In the 1600’s when the Copernican Theory was being discussed I can’t blame the people for doubting it. It was a new idea and any knew idea should be questioned. I think the Christians should have openly minded done some research themselves and studied the scriptures. They would have found it to be true and made things a lot easier. I don’t think the people should have blocked out the Copernican theory, his evidence was much better than that of Galileo’s theory.
    About Psalms, I strongly believe the people took those verses way out of context. When it says the World is established, firm and secure; and the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved, we know that does not mean it does not rotate. I think it means it will not fall or move out of its axis or rotation. That God made the earth strong and firm in its axis and cannot fall away.
    Christians obviously still make a ton of mistakes today but we can ensure that things such as these don’t happen again by studying and reading the Bible more. Not by just believing assumption but by believing evidence. Sometimes when people hear things, at first it can appear to be true, that’s when we have to take some initiative and go beyond believing what we hear and believe what’s true.

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  50. Emma, Very good report. As you can tell by my report I believe everything you said. I didnt really think about technology though. Very good. My favorite part of your report is the last sentence when you said, "The only way of knowing the truth is by reading the truth for ourselves." I loved that, its so true not only in this situation but in every aspect of life.

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  51. Charity,
    Your essay was well written, but I disagree with what you said about the Copernicus Theory being true. The Copernicus Theory was false, because the sun is not the center of the universe, the sun is the center of the solar system. We know the sun is not the center of the universe because are are advanced technology and science. Good essay though.

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  52. Nang,
    Good job. I enjoyed reading your report. Very good job. I definitely also agree that the priests were majorly too stuck on their old ways that they didn’t even try to accept any new scientific ideas. They were just too stubborn. The people should have thought their beliefs and been openly minded towards any new concepts as long as they had a good background of truth for what they believed. I also agree that God is in control and cannot be moved from His great power. Good job, Nang.

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  53. Private Elijah,
    Great essay. I completely agree with what you said about how the people then didn't have access to the Bible so they had to go with what the church taught, or they thought they were going to be sent to hell. I also agree to avoid this problem again we should make sure everyone has a chance to read the Bible for themselves. Great Essay!

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  54. Morgan(: Thank you for your comment on my essay. I understand where you’re coming from where you disagree about my statement: "The Copernical Model was indeed correct, and I believe that Christians in that day should have accepted that, and known that that was the truth." Now that I look back at my essay and your comment, I want to agree with your disagree. You were correct in saying that they wouldn’t have known, thank you bringing light to that for me.

    Camden, thanks for the comment on my essay also. Alright obviously I know the sun is not the center of the Universe, I thought the Copernical Model stated that the sun was the center of our solar system- which it is. I was incorrect about what the Copernical Model stated, thank you for letting me know. I am obviously not a woman of science lol. As for the “We will not be Shaken” part, I was dissecting the verse. Here is my whole paragraph about it: ..“In the New King James Version of the Word, the verse Psalm 93:1 says that “Surely the world is established, so that it cannot be moved.” King David is not meaning that the world itself cannot move, like rotation. If it did, it would say it, trust me. By “Established” it means that it has been made known, and that something was built upon that knowing. “It cannot be moved,” this means that we cannot be shaken.”.. As a world, we are one people united. Saying that the world cannot be moved means that us as a people cannot be shaken.

    Billy the Squid, I know the sun is not the center of the universe, I was wrong about what the Copernical Model stated. Thankyou.

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  55. its more obvious now more than ever that the people of those days were so very influenced and controlled. people then would have been fine to act the same way then as christians do today. now lets graze on over to the galileo,galileo was an Italian physicist, mathematician,astronomer and philosopher. Galileo has been called the father of modern observational astronomy, physics, and of science. galileo was responsible for the birth of modern science. and he was an incredibly large influence on our society today... obviously but at the same time he was a lil confused, which is okay we all get a little confused at times. and to touch on the issues of the verses i believe were mean to be taken way more spiritually than physically... its just that simple. :)

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  56. my homework continued: so again on the issues of the scriptures... when you think about the conflict that arose asking what those scriptures meant, again i must point out that i strongly believe they are meant to be portrayed in a spiritual sense more than physical sense. although i must say i do see how the people back in those days could have taken this the wrong way. Bibles were few and speculations were many... there fore it would have been a challenge none the less to figure out what you truly believe. so there it is... my opinion may not be very good but its there :)

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  57. private elijah,
    i couldnt agree more with how you made a statement on how the lack of Bibles had to have effected the amount of knowledge the people could have and how they were forced to believe what they had been taught growing up... i look at society today and wonder how we would function if all of our sources of knowledge was depleated. we would be so lost.

    alexandria grace,
    i really liked how you explained everything like i liked your opinion and i enjoyed reading it. you did very very well with this essay and it made sense to me like i could completely understand it :) so good job :)

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  58. Camden, I like how you brought up the authority and power the Catholic Church had around this time. There are so many church leaders in our history who have had enormous influence on different people. Even some church leaders today have a considerable amount of power. I also agree with your interpretation of the Bible verse. While there are many different ideas about what this verse means, we can all come together in agreement about God being extremely strong and powerful.

    Eileen, a lot of Christians might not have had access to a Bible at the time. The Catholic Church gained control and power by withholding the truth of the Word from the people. They used their authority to make stuff up about how to get to heaven. Because they might not have had the opportunity to study the Word, I think they should not be blamed for believing like they did. They had no choice but to believe those in authority.

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