Saturday, March 6, 2010

Homework 10, Due March 12

As we continue our study of the Vietnam War, it should be obvious to you that those were years of tremendous tumult and bitterness in the US. Coupled with this terrible war was an extended recession (worse than the current financial situation, and lasting about 10 years), and the occurrence of the Watergate scandal (much more on that later). It was during this time that a "counterculture" emerged - young people making decisions and living lifestyles for the express purpose of rejecting all that was important to their parents' generation. Clothes changed, music changed, values changed - and all of these changes were met with hearty condemnation from older generations, creating a so-called "generation gap". This counterculture revolution would set the stage for the massive drug use and sexual revolution (rejection of biblical constraints on sexuality) that are associated with the era.

It's hard now to understand just how far this nihilism defined a generation. (Nihilism, by the way, can be described as the complete rejection of all authority). For instance, when Ronald Reagan was elected governor of California in 1966 his teenaged daughter cried and asked him "How could you do this to me?" (An American Life) By being an elected official, he became a bad guy, part of the "establishment". There was such a complete disconnection between the culture of young people and adults that it's not much of an exageration to say that there were two wars going on at the same time - one military, one cultural.

While this culture war typically was fought in words, that wasn't always the case. Every summer throughout the late 60s and early 70s young black Americans rioted, burning and looting inner cities protesting for civil rights (we'll study the civil rights movement in depth later). At the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago protestors were beaten by police in what the courts later termed a "police riot", and Americans got used to hearing about tear gas and rubber bullets being used to break up demonstrations.

Exactly forty years ago, as the spring semester of 1970 drew to a close, riots and protests were widespread across America. After several brutal years in Vietnam, President Nixon announced that he was ordering an expansion of the war with invasions into Cambodia and Laos. This brought an explosive reaction from demonstrators everywhere, but two events occured that help to define the history of the era, and thereby contribute to the story of who we are as Americans. On the campuses of Kent State (OH) and Jackson State (MS) universities, protests turned violent and were met with powerful police responses. At Kent State four unarmed students, two of whom were not participating in the protests, were killed by guardsmen's bullets. The deaths shocked America as the images of those events were published in the news media.

I would like you to follow the link at the bottom of the page to read a compilation of eye-witness accounts of the Kent State tragedy. When you have finished post your responses to the following questions: 1) Does it seem possible for such an event to occur today? 2) Who deserves the blame for the tragedy? Why do you make that choice? 3) What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story?

Let me encourage you to read critically. Ask yourself which side the author supports, and judge how fairly does he or she seem to be telling the story. As you prepare for college this will be one of the most important skills you will develop!

Here is the link to the essay:

http://dept.kent.edu/may4/chrono.htm

Your assignment requirements are exactly the same as all those that have preceded this one.

70 comments:

  1. Well, first of all, thank you Mr. Akers for posting another assignment earlier on Sunday evening. It is a lot easier to complete it one the weekend, than during the week.

    1) Does it seem possible for such an event to occur today? I think that it would be possible for a similar event to happen in the near future. It would need a highly debatable cause like the Vietnam War. I do think that it is less likely. I think that less students these days would endanger themselves for a cause, but there still would be many, and I don't know if they would go as far as these people did, but it is definitely possible. I think the police would be much more careful nowadays, afraid of what the media might do about something like that.

    2) Who deserves the blame for the tragedy? Why do you make that choice? Well, the easiest thing to do would be to either say something like, "The government and police are unfair, abusing their powers, and out to get us," or "It was completely the fault of the students, we did only what we had to, and this wouldn't of happened if they hadn't made such choices." I think that everyone is definitely to blame. I don't know which side should be blamed more, but they were both out of line. The students should not have gone that far with the protest. When their actions became illegal, the police was going to get involved. They were doing it for a cause that they believed in, but you can't not expect the authorities to get involved with such disruption occurring. The police also handled the situation wrongly. They probably should have put an end to it earlier, but this situation should not have been taken care of the way it was. The killing of four students? That was way out of line. Both sides made terrible choices, and they both are to blame for the tragedy that occurred.

    3) What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story? Well, we can look at it and learn several things to try to prevent such an event from happening again. The situation shouldn't have been taken to such extremes. The burning of school buildings and killing of students was horrible and definitely shouldn't have happened. We can analyze this situation and use it as a map to show us exactly what NOT to do.

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  2. 1. Does it seem possible for such an event to happen today?
    Well the circumstances are similar today as back then. The only thing is protesters usually aren't as aggressive. If aggressive riots and demonstrations took place i think it is very possible for deaths to take place.

    2. Who deserves the blame for the tragedy and why did i make that choice?
    Well the way i see it is, now don't take what I'm saying to far, the protesters were getting violent. And the people that weren't protesters should not have been anywhere near there. Now maybe they shouldn't have just opened fire on a parking lot full of kids. But if they left them in the streets civilians that were trying to stay away from all the protests might have been injured or killed. So i guess I'm saying that it was the protesters fault, but the national guard could have approached in a more reasonable way where no innocent people would have died.

    3. What lessons can be learned from the
    Kent Stae story.
    If you are involved in illegal activity bad things will happening. Even if it is for a god cause in your mind there is absolutely no reason for there to be any illegal activity. No matter what the point is you are trying to get across. People didn't have to die that die if the protesters followed the rules provided to them.

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  3. 1) To me, it doesn't seem like such an event could take place today. We, as a society, don't have as much anger towards the government that the American society had during the Vietnam war. Approval in the governments job was at an all-time low, and noone was more angry about it than the college kids. Today, it just doesn't seem possible.

    2) The government definitely deserves blame for this tragedy!! When you read the end of the essay, you see that all of the college kids were going back to class. The riot was over. And these "soldiers" were supposed to be going home. And what happened? They opened fire and killed 4 and wounded 9. It's just awful. You can clearly see who is to blame.

    3) The lessons that can be learned from this story are very clear. 1) Anger combined with guns isn't a good combination. These soldiers obviously had been abused physically and emotionally all day. They wanted revenge. They saw an opportunity, and foolishly took advantage of it. 2) Low support of a war and government at home isn't good. These college kids were so upset about the war, and they wanted it to end. They took to protesting to show their emotion. And, unfortunately, some of these students paid the ultimate price for their displays.

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  4. J Byrd, good essay. Especially in Section 2, where you discussed who was at fault in this scenario. And it was true that both sides were out of line. The college students definitely crossed the line by throwing things at these officers. On the other side, the officers were TOTALLY out of line in firing upon a group of these students. It's definitely a two-way street.

    Great Essay J Byrd.

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  5. Cody, I have to disagree with you in Section 2 in your essay. Sure, like J Bryd said, both parties were at fault in this horrible tragedy. But the blame has to fall on these officers who fired upon these students. The officers clearly lost control of their emotions, and let their anger get the best of them. It caused them to commit murder. Guns and anger are never ok.

    Good Essay Cody.

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  6. 1.) Could protests and events like this happen again today? Well, I definitely believe that another protest like this could happen again. People remain the same no matter what the time period, but I believe the authority would definitely react differently. We look at how these officers handled these riots, tear gas, clubs, bayonets, and then we look at our forces today. Do you think they would have taken the same actions as they did then? I personally think that if a protest like this were to ever occur today, our police forces would take care of it, but in a different way.
    2.) I guess with all of these situations we can point blame on both sides, in fact it seems like in all my essays I have a tendency to do that. During these protests, both parties could have done something differently, but I really can find more fault with the protestors. People feel very passionately about their personal beliefs and I understand that because I am like that also, but when we put this great support into action it must be done in a certain way. These protestors might have started out in an acceptable way, but it soon got out of hand. If they had not presented their ideas in a very disrespectful way, the Guard would not have been required to take their position on the campus. When people get to the point where they are endangering others and destroying others property, it must be stopped and the protests will no longer be looked on with an open mind and respect. I f everything had been done according to the law, excessive forces would not have been necessary reducing the opportunities to be hurt and, in this case, killed.
    3.) There are many lessons to be learned in this piece of history. We are, hopefully, taught from the time we were little to stand up for what we believe in. As Americans, we take pride in our ability to voice those beliefs, but we also have to gain respect for those we are trying to convince. We see in this in the Kent State situation. We learned that we can voice our opinions, but we have to do it correctly and respectively or we can hurt others.

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  7. Jon, you bring up a good point of them demonstrating what NOT to do. People are always finding ways to show what they believe or support whether it be t-shirts or ring tones or bumper stickers, but we can see from the extremes taken by the Kent state protestors, burning down buildings is not the way to go. I think it’s kind of ironic how many protestors are against war and are protesting for peace, but yet the measures they take in the protests cause so much trouble and violence. The peace protests that turn into massive riots shouldn’t go together.

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  8. Cody, I completely agree with what you said in section 3 of your essay. If you take part in illegal and violent things, you must expect some kind of reaction. A lot of times, people try to justify their actions in their minds, but doing something wrong for a good cause doesn’t justify your actions.

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  9. 1) Does it seem possible for such an event to occur today? I personally don't think that an event like this could happen again because the American people aren't as aggressive and radical as they were back then. The only possible way for another event like this to occur is something similar to the Vietnam War. Though I think America would most likely be hesitant in entering something that cost them the money and soldiers that the Vietnam War did.

    2) Who deserves the blame for the tragedy? Why do you make that choice? I think that the government should be the one blamed for the tragedy because they used deadly force that was not needed at that time. Because of the government's actions, four student were killed, and nine students were injured.

    3) What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story? Anger and violence are not a good mixture because in the end the violence that the students enacted upon the city was returned to them through the deaths and injuries of other students. I think that the students should have used a different form of protest to put their point across to the government. One that did not cause so much violence and turmoil.

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  10. 1)Does it seem possible for such an event to occur today? I think that it might happen, but i think that we have such advanced ways of croud control, that i think that it could only happen if the rioters got a hold of real weapons, or the police got agravated with the protestors. Also, i don't really see a typical TV watching american suddenly putting himself in a life threatinig situation just because he belived in something. Not that I think that americans don't care about things, or that they are all fat couch potatos.

    2) Who deserves the blame for the tragedy? Why do you make that choice? I think that the police deserve the blame. Even though the the protesters were disturbing the peace, and were burning buildings, they weren't endangering anyones life. Police should NEVER use voilence or deadly force unless it is completly necesary. True, it stopped the riots for the most part, but people lost their lives! Thats a bad thing, but i thunk that its horrible that the police would cause the deaths, especially because they did it because they were annoyed with the protesters. I have allways been wary of police officers, because they learn so many ways to hurt an control you, and they cary weapons. I worry that if one of them decides to hurt or kill someone, there's not very much you can do about it. A lot of police officers are not really reaponsible.

    3) What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story? That a war should never be protested with violence, because it kind of defeats its own perpose. That police officers should never shoot people in that situation. That things like this should be broken up quickly, so that they don't cause huge problems. And that students should not be allowed to form such large groups.
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  11. The Vietnam War was a war full of controversy and lies. Still to this very day there are many split opinions of the war. Some this happened others say something else happened. One of the most controversial events during the Vietnam War was the incidents that occurred at the college of Kent state university. Located in Ohio. Where any students were shot and wounded where as others were not so fortunate and were killed by national guards’ men. There is a lot of controversy surrounding this event even into this day. Some people think that it was the students fault for provoking it and others think it was the guards fault and unprovokedly shot at them. The scary fact about it is that it could happen again. Tensions were very high about the war we were in. and I believe that if we had put as many soldiers In Iraq as we had in Vietnam there would’ve been riots all over the united states of America. If we had lost as many soldiers as we had back then I think many more college kids would’ve been killed. As I said previously many Americans today are still torn about who is to blame the rioting raging college students or the murderous guardsmen. I personally believe that the blame is on both of them. I don’t believe that standing up for what you think is right is a crime. That’s why it’s a privilege to live in America. However they took it a step further when then started to brake out windows and burn ROTC buildings. I believe that the national guard was right in breaking up these riots. However when they had broken up the final riot they were very unprovoked. They walked back up the hill and a hand full of them turned around and opened fire on the crowd. What we can all take away from this tragic experience is that its ok to stand up for what u believe in but you cant put other peoples lives in danger doing so

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  12. 1) Does it seem possible for such an event to occur today? I think that it could happen today but that it isn't likely that it would. If it did there would have to be some serious provoking and people who were very adament about what they believed. And there are countless people out there today its just that we tend to show it in more civilized ways now. Not always but more often than not.

    2)Who deserves the blame for this tragedy? Well i believe it can go both ways. Why do i believe that? Well for one the students should have been more civil and appropriate manner. They did have the right to protest but like i said they went about it in the wrong way. I mean burning and continuously going against what the authority was saying was definitely a problem that needed to be stopped. They should NOT have been doing that. I can see where the guard got fed up with them. But on the other hand there is in no way a justifiable reason for the guard to have fired into the crowd like that. The students were dispersing and going to their classes. The shooting should have NEVER happed either. Like Akers said today ( or at least i think it was Akers) we give the police force and guard and government authority and in exchange we expect them to give us protection and guidence. When this power is abused then we naturally want to rebel against it. And i believe we have the right. The guard that day definitely abused their power by shooting those people. It goes both ways. Although I don't think that it would have happened if the protesters had gone about their protesting in the right way.

    3)What can we learn from the Kent State story? We can definitely learn several lessons from this. For one if we are going to stand up and voice our opinions we definitely are going to have to do it right or nothing is going to be accomplished. Violence, anger, disrespect, hate, and ignorance definitely will not solve a single thing. Its just not going to happen. Also we absolutely should be allowed to let our thoughts and opinions be known as long as we are doing it properly. At the right place, at the right time, with the right attitude, and without hurting others or infringing upon others rights. Another lesson to be learned is be careful how you respond to things. It can have a terrible and lasting effect on the way people view you and sometimes the people who are associated with you. The soldiers had been taunted and hit with things and the students had messed with them all day. The soldiers im sure were tired, and had been pushed to their limits. They were angry and the reacted in a very wrong way. Their reaction was i believe was very rash. As a result four students were killed and eleven wounded and the many people had distrust of the police force and guard and government for that matter.

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  13. Morgan, I really liked your essay. You included the fact that both the police and the students deserved the blame. If the students had not been so violent and out of control then the police would not have been called out to control them. On the other hand, if the police had controlled themselves then their would have been no deaths or injuries. All of this goes to show that they were both at fault for the death and injuries of some of the students. Good essay, Morgan.

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  14. Emily, you made a good point. We can voice our opinions, but we have to do it in a manner that is respectful and does not cause violence. That is what went wrong at Kent State. The students started being violent and destructive in order to voice there opinion. If they would have done it respectfully then they might have been listened to and there would have not been such a big commotion. Good essay, Emily.

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  15. 1) does it seem possible for this to occur again today? Absolutely yes. of course the condition would be different, but something very similar could happen anywhere. it may not be college students necessarily, but other groups standing for what they believe. I personally would rather not endanger myself like that.
    2) who deserves the blame? obviously looks like the national guard at a snapshot glance. if you look a little deeper, why did the guard fire upon the crowd? that seems out of character for a trained soldier. was it in self defense? was it to prove a point by setting an example? whatever it was, I don’t think it was right for them to do that. they killed people that stood up for what they believed. but yet, the students set fire to a building, slashed fire hoses, and disobeyed authority. so I cant be the one who says who started it.
    3) what lessons can be learned? don’t provoke people with guns. don’t burn things like buildings, and use some common sense. if you saw a man with a big gun ur not gonna want to throw something at him and make him mad. u wanna avoid his attention.

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  16. Morgan, i also included how both the students and the police were to blame for the killings. its all about self control when it comes to stuff like this. if the students didnt provoke the police, the police wouldnt have shot. if the police wouldve used a different method, well better things may have happened

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  17. emily, as usual. great essay. like maxwell said, the key to voicing our opinions is respect and character. dont go and kill someone cause they disagree with you. what, other than emotions and anger, caused the guard to open fire on the students? if it were in self defense... ok... but just to do it to do it... thats not right.

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  18. The Kent State shootings: majorly controversial. The thing that tears me up most is that it’s really hard for me to pick a side because I don’t know what source to trust. Some make it sound terrible!!! While others make it a little less terrible, but still bad nonetheless. I’m going to attempt to pick a side.

    Could a shooting similar to this happen today? Yes. It would be less likely because of all the court cases that happened right after this tragic event; however, police officers still kill in “self-defense,” which is hard to be determined based solely upon the officers words.

    Who deserves the blame? Both parties; as is almost always the case. If I were to have been alive during this time period, I would have ABSOLUTELY protested the war! However, I wouldn’t have burned buildings, spat on soldiers, violent displays, etc. That’s where the protestors made a mistake. The police shouldn’t have shot. They didn’t have any where close to reason enough to do so. Especially considering that they shot blindly in to a crowd of people (two of whom weren’t even protesting!). That makes me furious!

    Lessons learned are disagreeing is fine but violent displays make you the villain. Also, police are held to a major standard and should protect the people, not shoot at them for a lack of reason.

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  19. Morgan, I liked your essay quite much. As I’m sure most will conclude, I agree with you that both groups are at fault. The people were standing up for what they believed in, and more power to them!; however, they took it overboard with the burning and fighting and violence. The police just shot into a crowd and that’s certainly not what they should have done.

    Stotts, good essay as well. I really liked your opinion about whether something like this could occur again. I agree that it could. Quite interesting that you said you would avoid anyone with a large gun if you were protesting. I have to agree there also. These people weren’t doing anything wrong by protesting but… It goes without saying again.

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  20. 1.) I really don’t think that it would be possible for an event to happen like this again because people were more for rights and peace back then. If an event did happen like that again it would not be to that certain extent as that one was.
    2.) I believe that both sides were at fault, and the situation could have def. been handled dif. by each side. The students did take the protest a little to far it was to the point that they were being dangerous and the authorities need to step in. But the authority’s job is to protect and causing that is not considered protecting to me. I believe they were just “letting some steam off” if understand what I’m saying. The police did not need to use violence in that certain way to maintain control.
    3.) I believe that we can learn from this tragedy not to take protesting this far. It is good for everyone to stick up for their rights, but not to this extent. Not so far to where authorities have to step in and have them to even consider using violence as an option. Hopefully something like this will never happen and we will not have to worry about something as controversy as Vietnam was for our country.

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  21. 1. Does it seem possible for such an event to happen today? Yes I think it is possible for something like that to happen again. If you believe in something that much, that you will protest the government, then anything is possible. Media also played a big part in how this was lead out. The media can put a story out however they want to, and can make it sound really bad if they want it to. So everyone would be more careful of the media now.
    2. Who deserves the blame for the tragedy? Why do you make that choice? I think that the police and guardsmen are to blame. They did not have to be so mean. And they didn’t have to turn right around and shoot people.
    3. What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story? I think that we can learn that maybe we should be having non-violent protests. Like Martin Luther King Jr. did. He and his party got a lot accomplished and I’m pretty sure that not so many people go shot at. Plus, if we don’t start with violence, then why would the police have any reason to be violent to us?

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  22. Jarred,
    I liked your essay. In your first paragraph you talked about how hard it is to pick a side to be on, and I had the same problem. Both the students and the police made some pretty bad moves. Like, really? Why would you throw stuff at police? That’s just dumb, cause you get in trouble for it no matter what. But the police had no right to just shoot at everybody. Like when they were on the Blanket Hill, and all the students started calming down. And then the police turned around and killed some of them! That’s just ridiculous.
    And the “lessons learned” that you listed are really good. Like I had said in my essay, we should not use violence when protesting. It’s just asking for someone to get hurt. But the police really didn’t have a good reason to shoot at those students. And some of them were not even in the protest!

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  23. Zack,
    I am sorry, but I disagree with your first answer. Ya know, history just repeats itself. All life is, is a bug cycle. Yeah I really do think that something like this will happen again. And you were right, it probably wouldn’t be to that same extent, but I still think that it will happen again.
    And your second answer was totally right. Both parties were at fault. But really, I think that the police were more responsible for all the people that got hurt. If they had been protecting people, and not herding them around with guns and tear gas, then no one would have gotten hurt. But still, they did try to put out the ROTC building fire. But that still does not give them the right to hurt and kill innocent students.
    Now your last answer. I think that we should all stand up for our rights as much as we can. But the use of violence is just asking for trouble. But I do think that we should all stick up for our rights to the best of our abilities. No matter what it takes, because this country is getting so out of whack that no one really knows what their rights are anymore.

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  24. 1) Sure, I guess something like that could happen again. It would require a massive issue that the two sides are very passionate about. It is possible.
    2) I think the Guard was mostly in the wrong here. Both groups made bone-headed decisions, however. The protestors shouldn’t have been violent. The students shouldn’t have burned down the ROTC building or acted aggressively towards the Guard. BUT, if you read the end, it says that the riots were pretty much over. Many students began to walk to class. Then a dozen troops turned around and fired into the crowd. There was NO reason to fire a gun. They killed 4 students and injured 9. That’s ridiculous.
    3) For one, when there is massive opposition to a war our country is fighting at home, bad things happen. Also, even though the soldiers in the Guard were treated like trash all day, they reacted way too harshly. It was foolish. Firing into a crowd starting to die down is no way to handle a situation.

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  25. My feelings about the Kent State shootings are all jumbled up, so lets see if I can get it out there. A few minutes ago someone asked me if I thought that the protestors were right in what they did, but I had to think. They stood up for what they believed in, and I would have been right along with them if I lived back then. So mabe, they WERE doing the right thing. They thought what the military was doing in vietnam was wrong and they did’nt care who knew. And especially they had the right to, and no one could take that away from them. They had the right to free speech and they knew that. But the thing the thing that gets me about that is that they went over the top, but they needed to did’nt they? No one would listen and they needed to get it out there.. But no one LISTENED. I Believe it was wrong for the police and the national guard to kill the protestors. The protestors werent killing anyone, so why kill them? To shut them up? To make an example? Why? Why did they kill the colledge students who believed in PEACE, who would stand up for peace, who would give all they had for peace. And you know what we do this everyday in our walk with Abba. We choose to stand up for Him because He is whom we believe in. We stand up and willingly die for peace. Mann if they only were this passionatte for the Lord. But on to the questions, I got a little rambly about other things.(:
    1) I believe it is possible, people still have aoppinions and feel like they need to be heard. And people are the same as they have always been, I Don’t see why not.
    2) I think both of the parties were to blame. They could have held back there emotions and respected each other.
    3) The lesson I have learned from the Kent State Tragedy is to still believe in what is right, but you also need to approch things with respect for others. Yes stand up and speek out, but don’t go around busting out windows. There are other ways to be heard.

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  26. 1) I do think that it’s possible for an event such as this to occur today. The world is chaotic, and there will always be people willing to go to the extreme to stand up for what they believe in.
    2) Things got way out of hand here, obviously. Some would say that it is the students own fault for taking it so far and others might say that what they did was right. I do not think that the National Guard should have been so destructive in killing young , educated college students. We as Americans have the rights and freedoms of speech, and what they were doing so far as chanting and getting together and protesting was not wrong. However, at the same time the students kind of asked for what they got since they refused multiple times to disperse when they were told. They didn’t have to get violent by throwing things at the officers either. Still, there was no real need for the shooting, good grief. Therefore, I don’t really choose either side, because the whole thing was just a crazy mess.
    3) It’s always a noble and the just thing to do to stand up for what you believe in. I have to admire these students at Kent state for doing just that. Yet, losing your life over war-protesting is something I would not go so far as to do. Being a martyr for Christ, however, would be a different matter.

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  27. 1) Does it seem possible for such an event to occur today?
    It's hard to say that something like this would happen again. But I do believe it is possible. As far as i know there are no radical protests going on tin the United States as of now, but if there were I believe something like this would insue and people would probably be killed. If not killed by the protesters themselves than they would be killed by innocent bystanders that had had it up to their ears. No it is possible that the state government would call in The Guard but I believe that to be a last resort; much like in this case when the local law enforcement couldn't handle the vast amount of people participating in the riots.
    2) Who deserves the blame for the tragedy? Why do you make that choice?
    I think that both sides over-re-acted. Yes, I am all for freedom of speech but that right is limited to the infringement upon other people's rights and destroying property you are infringing on their God given rights as a human. In the view of the National Gaurd, those people are trained to kill, you do not throught the tear gas back at them because you are asking to be stabbed or shot. I do believe that on both sides there was a severe amount of crazed thinking. Yes, the protestors won'tlisten to you, but that doesn't mean that you open fire on them. And yes the Army is throwing tear gas and screaming "GO BACK TO YOUR HOMES" but is that a reason not to respect that they are armed and you aren't? NO, you need to think of the temperment of these people. You don't know who is going to fly off the handle and shoot you while you're walking away. So I say don;t participate in riots because you are asking for trouble. I mean look at the essay that we had to read. Those people's names will live forever in infamy, they will have to live with thier choice to be at that rally and to have seen their friends die for a cause that would not be helped by endless riots but would more than likely had a better ending if the voice that was screaming out of our country was "WE SUPPORT OUR TROOPS" rather than the loudest voice be "BABY KILLERS". When you think about it maybe our soldiers would have had an easier time meshing back into society if our nation had been a little more supportive. No, not everything that happen was right. Nothing is ever perfect. And maybe we should have pulled out sooner, but we don't make those descisions the government does. And when has anyone ever listened to raging violent people? Never. So I believe through peaceful protest more gets done though you have to be patient, and it's less likely for people to die.
    3) What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story?
    - Violent protesting doesn't gain respect
    - Don't through tear gas back at the police or armed forces
    - Don't drink or take drugs, because then you are more likely to be influenced by the "mob mentality" and destroy public/private property

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  28. 1.)Does it seem possible for such an event to happen today? In my opinion, no way no how. "Protests" or riots will continue to multiply at a mind-jolting rate as the liberal agenda becomes even more of a"fad" than it is today. Police, or law enforcement in general, has been and will continue to be crippled by lawsuits and constraints until they cannot fulfill their job, and will avoid situations like riots entirely. So no, in my opinion, this could never happen again.

    2.)Who deserves the blame for the tragedy? Why do you make that choice? I blame the protesters themselves. Because of their riot, innocent lives were taken. Did the Guard over-react? Yes. But given the gravity of the situation, it's easily understandable. Adrenaline kicks in, tempers flair, and someone gets hurt. It happens any time large groups are together. There are a couple reasons I'm pretentious against protesters, the main one being NOBODY CARES about them or their cause. They are ALWAYS representing a minority that is trying to change the face of America by being loud, obnoxious, and even destructive. To me, they are a public nuisance. Protests do not change anything, they just cause unneeded conflict.

    3.)What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story? What lesson that SHOULD be learned as that we, as flawed human beings, cannot gather in large groups against a cause and have a peaceful outcome. It never works smoothly. However, as I previously stated, no lesson will be learned. Two innocent humans died in vain, and two died supporting their cause. Hopefully, to them, it was worth it.

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  29. Morgan,
    I liked your essay. You brought out a lot of good points. Especially on numeral one. I think it is dead on when you say "I think something like this could happen today, but it is not very likely." I also like how you said it would take some serious provocation. I assume that you meant the protesters would have to provoke authorities. If that is the case, I cannot agree more. My dad works in the law enforcement field. And today, as we speak, a powerful bill is going through the process of getting into the Kentucky house that is strongly anti-law enforcement. If such a bill were to pass, my dad and many other officers would not be able to do their job. I may feel stronger towards this topic than most, but to me, it really hits close to home.

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  30. Cody,
    I agree with your opinion on the 2nd topic, at least in part.

    Oh and by the way, someone needs to tell that Asian dude to stop posting those links. It's really really really really annoying and nobody cares. So, Asian dude, if you're reading this, go get a life.

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  31. Does it seem possible for such an event to happen today?
    Yes. Maybe not as an every day occurance, but it will. As our country continues in its slow, downward spiral, the amount of ridiculously unnecessary violence will continue.
    Who deserves the blame for the tragedy? Why do you make that choice?
    I'm going to have to blame both sides. In America we are granted the freedom to express our opinions, which includes protesting. However, there are obvious limitations for protesting or expressing ones personal opinions. I believe in this case, the line was crossed.
    At the same time, the Guard and other officers involved should have acted a little more rationally.

    What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story? For people who wish to protest something, they need to think through everything before they just "rally troops" and start making a fuss. They need to think of the possible outcomes and how that could wind up hurting people. And, everyone involved must, must act rationally. Think, plan, do things in order, in a calm and appropriate manner. Violence made need to be used sometimes, but in many instances it need not be.

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  32. The Kent State tragedy was a lesson in the power of wrong assumptions.
    The atmosphere in America was one of great confusion. There were several parties that were infiltrated by liberals that were communist based. Back then we did not know what we know now about communism. To an anti- establishment student, socialism looked very good. People not only did not trust one another but there was great suspicion.
    Question #1
    Does it seem possible for such an event to occur today?
    Answer:
    Anything is possible. I thank the people that are alive today still remember the atmosphere of the late 1960's and early 1970's. I think we have learned valuable lessons. A few of the people that led the protests are the leaders of today. (I'd be curious to see where those people are today.) I think there are more rules in place to stop that from happening.
    Question#2
    Who deserves the blame?
    Answer: I think both parties. I did not like how Governor stood up and spoke and made crazy accusations that proved to the students that he did not have a clue about what he was talking about.
    The guard betrayed the students by lying and not keeping their word.
    The students on the other hand should not have burned the constitution. They destroyed property. Belligerence never wins friends or opens doors for communication. Ignorance and selfishness was very obvious on both parties.
    Question #3
    What lessons can we learn from Kent State?
    Answer: I think character would be the first step in making progress.
    "You either have character or you are a character."
    Being humble, truthful and wise are big steps in crossing over into negotiating disputes.The bible says " a soft answer turns away wrath." It's a shame Governor Rhodes didn't remember.

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  33. 1. I don’t think such an event could occur today. Protests today are somewhat common and usually tolerated by the government. Some do take government intervention if they get violent, but police or guards would be severely prosecuted if they actually shot at and killed people in a crowd that were of little danger to anyone, not to mention all the media attention it would get and the outrage of people when they hear it. The right to protest is guaranteed by the constitution.
    2. I blame the Guard for this one. What they did was a complete abuse of power and authority and was completely unwarranted. Even if you don’t agree with that you can’t say it was ok for them to fire into a crowd of kids and kill four people and wound many others. It was an unnecessary amount of force and inappropriate for the situation.
    3. This teaches us several lessons today. First, some people are always going to disagree with the government, as the students did about the war. Second, you shouldn’t get violent protesting against violence. Third, if you can’t control yourself, others will have to control you. Fourth, there will always be people who abuse their power. Fifth, the whole incident is something we can look at and make sure nothing like this happens again.

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  34. Does it seem possible for such an event to occur today?

    Absolutely. Riots still so happen today, especially in foreign countries. In America, for the most part, they are much for civilized and more of holding signs and shouting things. However, I am sure under certain circumstances, people could start an aggressive riot in which people could be killed. Some people care so much about what they believe that they will die believing it.

    Who deserves the blame for the tragedy? Why do you make that choice?

    Both sides equally deserve the blame. The protesters should have never taken things to such extremes as to first of all, break the law, and then go one to burning down buildings and so on. However, on the other hand, I don't believe anyone needed to be killed, especially if they were unarmed. Police have plenty of ways to combat aggressive people who are unarmed; that is what they are trained to do.

    What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story?

    We can learn not to take things to suche extremes. They're are much better ways to handle these situations. Why do you think we have a “Riot Control” now? It is to control these situations with non-lethal force like tear gas, bean bag rounds, tasers, night sticks, water, etc.

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  35. 1) Does it seem possible for such an event to occur today?
    Of course, it would not take much. Think of what would have happened if a student had fired at the police. The police would most defiantly shoot back. This could happen at any time and anywhere. All it would take is a large uncontrolled crowd and a crazy person with a gun. However, crowed control has become more effective so this has a less of a chance of happening.
    2) Who deserves the blame for the tragedy? Why do you make that choice?
    Everyone has blame for this tragedy. Spectators should have minded their own business. The protestors should not have agitated the police and should have stayed within their lines of protest. The Police should have never been given authority to open deadly fire. I say this because this could not have happened without one of these parties.
    3) What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story?
    First of all, police should never open fire on unarmed citizens. We need to increase our methods of crowd control. Protestors should not get carried away and let their protest get violent. Protestors do not have the right to property damage.

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  36. 1) Does it seem possible for such an event to occur today?

    If under the same circumstances then yes I believe it could be possible for such an event to occur. Other than the same circumstances as that war though it really seems extremely unlikely. We continue living feeling as if we are protected and safe in our own little bubbles. We continue doing the daily stuff in our lives and we feel protected but if someday we found ourselves in a "Vietnam War" we might be found under the same circumstances or even possibly worse that it was then. Just because of how influenced our culture already is by drugs and alcohol.

    2) Who deserves the blame for the tragedy? Why do you make that choice?

    I believe that if no one had deliberately said FIRE this might have never happened but no one knows for sure because they could have decided to do this even before they went up the hill because the story said that they huddled together before walking up together. The blame can't be solely placed on one side or the others, but if I was forced to side with one or the other I have a little bit more compassion towards the Kent State students that were killed seeing as that this was really uncalled for. Though the reason I say this is because I feel more compassion towards them. The other side which was I think the National Guard and state police. They seemed to have worked themselves up and seeing as that Marshall Law hadn't been declared when the students were shot there is really no justification for the shooting. Even if one of their superiors said that they could fire he was wrong in saying that until Marshall law was declared I don't believe they could have fired legally.

    3) What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story?

    Mainly that you should just be careful in everything you do and make sure not to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. You need to stay away from danger as much as possible. We need to be careful when and what we do. There is always danger in confrontation this was most definitely a dangerous confrontation. You just need to keep yourself in check and be careful.

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  37. Question number one, is there a possibility that an event like this could happen today. The answer to this question is very simply no. It would take an act of God to have an event like this to happen in these modern times. One of the reasons I do not think that this could happen is because there is not such a controversial issue now as there was then. Another reason is because hopefully the American people have learned from their past and will not use illegal means to get what want.

    Question number two, who deserves the blame for this tragedy, and why. I think that there are a lot of people to blame for this incident. The first that I will mention is the protestors themselves. As you can see in the reading the protestors clearly did not know when to stop what they were doing. If they would have stopped after the first night of riots then this would have never happened. The next group is the National Guard. If they would have been able to gain and keep control after the riot on May first then this tragedy could have been avoided. The third and final group is the college officials. One question that comes to mind is why they were still holding classes if the ROTC building had just been burned and they were occupied by the National Guard.

    Question number three, what can be learned. I believe that it is clearly visible just how corrupt and wicked man’s heart really is in cases like this. We can also learn how something that could have been resolved peacefully can be turned into an extremely horrible thing.

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  38. 1) Does it seem possible for such an event to occur today?
    I believe that an event such as that of Kent State could happen today. Such as many people disagreeing with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. But these wars are not as protested as the Vietnam War. The events at Virginia Tech were not due to a war but had many of the same effects. Such as people getting killed or injured, If something as little as a person just deciding to go nuts and do a small thing like that can happen, would it surprise you to see someone disagree with a war and worse occur.

    2) Who deserves the blame for the tragedy?
    The blame for this tragedy goes to the members of Troop G. Why do you make that choice? I made this choice due to it seemed to me the members of Troop G took advantage of there power as being future army members to go against war protestors who were tired of seeing us lose 500 soldiers a week in Vietnam. In my opinion the protestors had a right to voice there opinion, maybe not in such a radical manor. But there members of Troop G acted even more radically by turning there guns on defenseless protestors. This puts the blame on them.

    3) What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story?
    Lessons that can be learned from Kent state is that its very noble to stand up for what you believe in but there are consequences in this case it was death or injury which was a terrible thing but I credit the Kent state students for standing up for what they believe in and not going down without a fight.

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  39. 1) The only way that something like this would happen is if most of the situations were the same. But yes, it could happen again. Although people would probably react a whole lot more. They would definitely have a lot to say about it.
    2) I personally think that the blame goes to the National Guard as being responsible for the deaths of these students. Yes, they were doing something that they shouldn’t have been doing, but the Guard was responsible for the safety of these kids as well as keeping them in line. The reason for my choice is simple. The students, no matter if they were wrong, were standing up for what they believed in.
    3) The lesson that I learned was that you don’t want to be in the wrong place at the time.
    Even though some of these people weren’t doing anything wrong, they got the ultimate punishment for what others did. It kind of reminds me of the story of Jesus. He died for the things that we did wrong. He took the punishment and took the ultimate punishment for us. And that is about as close as I can get to two hundred words.

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  40. 1) I’m not too sure if this could happen today. It seems to me that policemen are becoming more prone to violence against citizens. Not in general, but we have all heard the stories about policemen abusing their tazer guns in situations that did not call for violence. Just a few months ago, I heard about a policeman tazing an 80 year old grandmother because she was fussing at him for giving her a speeding ticket! And after she had fallen to the ground, he shocked her again! I don’t think anything like the events at KSU could happen again by direct order from a superior but I wouldn’t be surprised if some hothead lost his temper and acted on his own. (Of course I know not all police men and woman are like this. The majority of them do their jobs very well)

    2) I think both parties have to share the blame. They each took things a little too far. If the protestors had done things right and gotten permits and protested peacefully, hopefully, there wouldn’t be a problem. But the police had other options besides firing upon the students.

    3) I think we can learn situations like KSU can have an enormous snowball effect and get out of control very quickly. I can’t imagine the tensions that were felt between the protestors and police; it must have been like walking on pins and needles.

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  41. Could such an event happen today? Of course it could. Barbarism and animalistic violence are like the dirty little secret of the human race. This tendency toward chaos is a constant within our universe. Whenever things get heated, especially among different types of people, who feel they must defend their own kind, things get out of hand. The unfortunately common scene of parents getting into fist fights at kids ball games can quickly become a shooting if the wrong person gets involved.

    The tragedy at Kent State, if blame must be placed, seems to have been caused by a police leader who was either inept, arrogant, cruel or a combination of the three. As the essay discussed, there was an order given verbally to the officers to shoot. Does this mean that the individual officers were completely innocent? Certainly not. Each man, woman, and even children possess the ability and even the responsibility to make wise choices. However, in the chaos of that day, with protests, yelling, rocks being thrown back and forth, and all of the other madness on the campus, it is unfair to not recognize that the policemen themselves would have been nervous, frenzied, and ready to jump into action at that fatal, misguided order to fire. Therefore, the primary blame lays at the feet of the superior officer.

    Surely, we could learn the lessons of the importance of patience or the dangers of impetuous actions. We could learn that thought, careful planning, and order are necessary. We could learn many things from this tragic event. Yet, for all we could learn, I fear too many will forget. Like a child who can spell a large word, but who has not yet comprehended it’s meaning, we know the story but fail to change. Our natural self is too wild, but through diligence, we may yet still learn.

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  43. 1. Does it seem possible for such events to happen today? Yes I do think that an even such as that could very easily happen again today. But I do think that it would attract much more attention. Because of how many different types of media there is today. But if the same situation happened today we could have handled it much more effectively.

    2. Who is to blame for this tragedy? In my opinion there is absolutely no reason why anyone should have died in this situation. They could have resolved this without casualties. However on the other hand the protesters got way out of line. So that’s why there is controversy in deciding who is to blame for this.

    3. What can be learned from this experience? One thing that we can learn from this is that we needed to developed better ways to control riots such as this one in the future. So that no one gets killed. Another thing we can learn is when people are so divided over something a feel as strongly about it as these people did; things can get way out of hand very quickly.

    I needed seven more words Mr. Akers…

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  44. 1. I have to admit that I don't honestly think something of this magnitude could happen again in the near future. Protesters from this time period REALLY stuck it out while I honestly believe protesters these days are kind of narcissistic.
    2.I Believe the National Guard is solely responsible. While the protesters agitated the Guard the G-company should exercised self control and not shot at the students.
    3. I learned that protesting should be done in a completely calm way without violence. Any measure of violence from one person in a large protest incites violence from those surrounding the individual. So stay calm in protest situations!!

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  45. Hannah, you pretty much had the same opinions in your essay that I did. One good point you had was that the National Guard ALSO had responsibility to protect the kids, not just keep them in line. Killing them was totally unnecessary, they could have found some other way to fix what was going on. The last sentence in your essay made me laugh, even though you were just trying to get atleast 200 words in there you still had a good example of what we could learn from it all.

    Mady, I agree with what you said in your essay 100 percent. I especially liked your third answer because it was a little more unique than some of the other answers people came up with. People who want to protest something in the future really should think through how they are going to do it to make sure that pure chaos and violence doesn’t break out. Very nicely done. ☺

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  46. Morgan: I love what you said, "if we are going to stand up and voice our opinions we definitely are going to have to do it right or nothing is going to be accomplished."
    I agree the violence and ignorance must go. It reminds me of things that go on in third world countries. In America we do have the right to voice our opinions, but we don't do it at the expense of destruction.

    Stotts: I liked how you answered the question,"What lessons can be learned?"
    Don't provoke people with guns, don't burn things and the last thing is, use common sense. I'm always amazed at the people that don't have common sense. I'm not sure if common sense can be a gift that can be learned, but I wish more people would use it.
    Or, learn how to use it!You don't throw something at a person that is holding a gun at you. To throw something at somebody that is holding a gun at you. That is an awful idea!

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  47. Anna, you had a good essay. I agree with you on many points.. . I also don't believe that it was simply a one-sided fault. It was both the soldiers and the students, because both of them got out of hand. I loved your last paragraph were you said, “It’s always a noble and the just thing to do to stand up for what you believe in. I have to admire these students at Kent state for doing just that. Yet, losing your life over war-protesting is something I would not go so far as to do. Being a martyr for Christ, however, would be a different matter.” I completely agree with you here. I believe that it’s important to stand up for what youu believe in; you just need to make sure that what you are standing up for is worth your life.

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  48. Cody, you had a good essay. I think that this could happen today if the riots got out of hand. If you remember the video that Ms. Vanhoose showed us last year about the “Mob Mentality.” I thought that it was quiet scary. I mean they killed people by pulling them out of their cars and they literally tipped cars over. So I see were you were getting at in the second paragraph, though personally I believe that both sides were at fault here.
    On your last paragraph, I thought that it was really gooed. I also think that there is no reason for you to participate in illegal things ever. Even when you are trying to ge a point across because people will get hurt and possibly even killed…

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  49. 1) ok i think anything is possible, but i find it highly unlikely that such an event would repeat itself, due to the more involved media nad the diferant aditude by many people towards government and armed forces. nevertheless if things were to change in the future we may find history, as it often does, repeat itself.

    2) first of all this was a terrible tragedy. i feel in a way some of the facts may be "forgotten" based on someones perspective or personal agenda. i think absolutely the soldiers were wrong in the way they handled it, we are NOT nazi's no matter how much some people would like us to be. we cant just start shooting people and then blame someone else. however, unless someone was there and saw what happened how do we know what was done to the soldiers, if we believe the dopped up hippies we must believe our volunteer soldiers as well.

    3)i think obviously things could have been handled better. when a war is unpopular at home crazy people do crazy stupid things that result in crazy things. if a guy on lsd was running at u and seemed threatening and had already burned the rotc building what would u do? and not to mention the names like baby killer you were called and u had nothing to do with commands descicions but were just standing for your country so that some crazy communist didnt come kill all the peace loving pot heads.

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  50. Jarred,
    I probably would not have protested, well almost surely would not have protested the war. With that said, I loved your comment about taking things too far. You said you would not have spat on soldiers and all that. I see no wrong in protesting; it is an expression of one's personal opinions on an issue. But, there is a limit. In my opinion, these protestors crossed the line. Good essay Jarred.

    Ben,
    I totally agree with the answer to your first question. It's 100% possible something of this magnitude could happen again. Like you said, people will always disagree and therefore will protest. Good essay Ben. Definately had to agree with you there though.

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  51. 1) Does is seem possible for such an event to occur today?
    Yes I do think that it is possible for such an event to occur today. Do I think it is as likely, no but it could happen. When people feel so strongly about something things can get out of hand and people can do things that they wouldn’t normally do.
    2) Who deserves the blame for the tragedy? Why do you make that choice?
    Well as far as who deserves the blame I am going to say that both sides were wrong and made wrong decisions and you could blame either side. The protestors of course went out and destroyed property and made a scene however they did not take anyones lives. While the officers took some of the matters into their own hands and made their own decisions when they should have just followed their orders. To me it looked as though they twisted the orders that were given to them so that they could do more of what they wanted. They shot and killed people when it was not necessary. So personally I do not think either side was right at all but I tend to blame the officers more than the protestors.
    3) What lessons can be learned from the Kent State story?
    I think you can learn that just because you are in a higher rank than someone else doesn’t mean you should take advantage of that authority. Like the saying with great power comes great responsibility. The more power you have the more responsibility you have. You should use your power to better the people around you and to succeed in your position that you have been placed in as a leader.

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  52. Ben, I thought your essay was really good. I don’t necessarily agree with you on the second question, but you had a very intriguing point. You are right in saying that the National Guard was there and had to use tear gas because the students resorted to violence. Also, I can’t disagree with you in that there would be a zero percent chance of them getting shot if they weren’t initially protesting. However, I just think the blame of the death of the students should be placed on the soldiers. There was absolutely no reason to fire.

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  53. Jaykub, your essay was pretty good. I do agree with you completely that the G-company is solely responsible. Like you made clear, the soldiers should have exercised self-control and not fired their guns. Also, you’re correct in saying that a solid lesson from this event is to protest calmly without any form of violence.

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  55. Morgan, I agree with you a shooting could possibly happen, but I believe that it is very unlikely as well. And it would take a lot more for a police officer to do this kind of thing today then it would then. Because I’m sure that they were probably more agitated with the situation, and that type of thing was always happening then. And I also believe that the shooting would not have happened if the protesters would have been civilized about the whole thing. And using violence and having anger toward the situation is not going to accomplish anything, like you said in the third paragraph.

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  57. I liked what Anna Katherine said. The National Guard should not have been authorized to use deadly force. Then again if the students had not have been there would not have been injured and they fought back at the police. I believe we have the right to protest, but the line is where violence and property damage occur. We can voice our opinion without violating the law. I also am not decided on a side and this event is just too controversial.

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  58. Sam, I agree with you and really liked your essay. I also believe that we as a country do not have as much anger toward our country as the people did back then. Which the war we are in right now is not as debated or disagreed with at the Vietnam war was or still is. Anger and with violence def. is not a good mixture and I believe that the guards that day were tired of the all the riots, and they still had no right to shoot the kids. But, they did and we can not do anything about this today except learn from the mistakes of our country and the people.

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  59. I liked what Biggen said. We must learn from our mistakes. I also gave the blame for both parties. This was an unfortunate tragedy. Destroying property and infringing on the rights is inexcusable. They do have the right to protest but not like that. THE POLICE SHOULD NOT HAVE USED DEADLY FIRE. This is also inexcusable. The people shot were unarmed and were not trying to end the life of a person or officer. History is History and let’s not let it happen again.

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  60. Troxell, you are right, we should take a lesson from this and have better crowd control. And even though the kids were out of line, like you said, there was no reason for them to get killed for it. Seven more words? Really? I hope that made two hundred.


    Justin, I don’t know if members of Troop G were taking advantage of their power or not. But I know that they had to have been getting tired of listening to a bunch of college kids yell about how much they dislike the war. I’m not trying to justify what they did, but I don’t want to blame them totally. As I said in my essay, the kids were out of line but that didn’t mean that they had to be shot at. I know that there had to have been a better way. And if not better then at least less violent.

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  61. Cody,
    Good post! First off, props on organization and format. Very orderly and neat. Way cool. Now, on to the content of the post, which was also very nice. Good point about the difference in the level of violence, however I have seen videos of some pretty hardcore riots from recent years. As for the blame, I see some of your thinking on that issue. The protestors were definitely out of hand. Still though, the innocent passer bys were simply trying to get across campus. On the issue of the lesson learned, that was short, sweet, and to the point. Good report, good words. Nice job.

    Sam,
    Awesome post! Same as with Cody, nice organization. Interesting about the amount of anger toward the government. I’d say in recent years, that has been true. However, things seem to be escalating lately, so who knows. Wow, good point about the fact that they were returning to class when the shots were fired. That makes it pretty simple to point the finger doesn’t it? Good lessons to be learned, but what solutions could we reach to those problems?

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  62. Good stuff, guys. I've got to admit it's hard for me to stay on the sidelines of this one - I'd like to debate some of you! Your arguments are well-prepared and you did a good job of being determined yet respectful. On to 4th quarter!

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  63. 1) I think something similar to the confrontations preceding May 4 could happen today, but something in me finds it hard to believe that a shooting like that would happen now. Maybe that’s just because I look at the military in a positive light; I see most of those men and women as some of the best people in America. I guess something similar could happen if students were unhappy and there was as much of a buildup as the Kent State situation.
    2) I think both sides should share the blame. I know, cop-out answer, right? Well in my opinion it’s not, it’s simply the way I see it. The students had gotten unruly too many times to be trusted and the National Guard and Ohio government were being, in my opinion, too harsh and restrictive, and then, of course, the fact that men of troop G shot at what seems to be a pointless point in the conflict, according to the article. The article did however seem to be biased towards the students, though, it did point out many of the student’s flaws as well.
    3) I think we can learn that violent protests tend to get us further back than forward. When people lash out violently, even for a good cause, it does nothing to support their stance. I’m not really sure what to say about what we can learn involving the military presence. I guess mostly that there should be more limits on how the military can treat unarmed civilians, because, to me, the shooting from troop G didn’t seem self-defensive or preemptive.

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  64. Cody, good essay, but I would like to ask can you really put all the blame on the protestors. Yes, they did get out-of-hand, but the members of the Guard weren’t exactly on their best behavior. It also seems like they National Guard went to extreme measures to disperse the crowds again after already dispersing them. I see you tried to say the Guard could have handled it better, but still just to me it seems both should take the blame. I can definitely see why you would say it was the protestors, though. I think a majority of the blame should fall on them just not the entirety of it.
    Justin, I think something we all need to think about is how everyone complains about how radical the students were but at the same time the members of the troop G were acting worse than the students were. That’s something I hadn’t thought of before and that will stick with me for a while. Those men in troop G were acting as destructive as the protestors and we never seem to talk about how their reaction was more radical than the student's.

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  65. In my opinion, I do not think that such a tragedy would occur today. I believe that first off we will never be as distraught over a particular was as a country as we were during Vietnam, but also I believe that after the events that occurred at Jackson State and Kent State, that people would not act, or react for that matter, the way people did on those days.

    In my eyes, the blame is split, but not even like a lot of people think. People say they were both in the wrong, and they were but I think it weighs even more on the protestors than the national guards. First off, the protestors had no right to go towards the National Guard and the National Guard had no right to fire at “innocent” civilians. But it all goes back to the treatment of the soldiers. Think about this, would they have shot if they hadn’t been spat on, and treated like they did something wrong when really they were out defending the freedom of the every people ridiculing them?

    The two lessons to be learned from this are to keep your cool at all times and respect those who help you. The soldiers lost their tempers, which put them in a position to do the wrong thing. Also, the protestors didn’t respect someone helping them. It’s like when someone tells you something that will help you in the long run but you disagree at the time, the soldiers defended our country but because the protestors disagreed with the war, they spoke out and took it too far.

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  66. J Byrd,
    I would have to disagree with you on the first question. I don’t believe something like this would happen for the mere fact that it has happened once before and people have learned from it. But even though I disagree you present some good points. But I do agree with you on both of the last two questions. They were both out of line and I think we can use this as a map of what exactly not to do if something like this looks like it is going to occur again.

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  67. Sam Wier,
    I agree completely with how you feel about the first topic. I do not think that an event such as these would occur today. We have trust in our government, and we have an outstanding love and respect for our soldiers. But on th second topic, I feel that you’re right, and wrong. I believe had the protestors not treated the soldiers the way they did to begin with, they wouldn’t have had the built up anger that came out.

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  68. Camden, I read you post I thought it contained decent answers, and I mostly agree with you on most of your answers. But, I do disagree with you a little on the first question. While the possibility of an event like the Kent State shootings happening again is very unlikely it is still possible. We would need a very controversial issue like the Vietnam War and a very divided view among citizens with the government totally on one side. And still, times have changed, and I really don't think it is likely at all to happen again, but it is completely possible. I agree with your second answer, everybody was to blame. Maybe, not so much the college officials, as they didn't really start, nor feed the fire, nor was it their job to try to prevent it. Good Post.

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  69. Charlie, I really agree with your essay, especially your first and last responses. I agree with you on the second one too, but maybe not quite 100% like the other two. I think both sides were nearly equal to blame. The Kent State students did start it, so the event wouldn't have occurred without them, but the National Guard handled the situation totally wrong. great essay

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  70. 1) Does it seem possible for such an event to occur today? I would say it's more possible than ever. As we know the human race degenerates as time goes on. So my answer to this is yes. It's obviously going to happen again. I can't quite say when though

    2)Who's to blame? Well, I think that communism was the greater evil but both sides fought. There is NEVER a one sided war because both sides have some sort of interaction

    3)Violent Protests make our country look wearker. they never work and they negatively effect the people's morale. They just don't work..

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